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To Conceive of an Idea - what does it mean?

Wed Jan 21, 2009, 4:53 PM
So I was driving home tonight after English class, wondering how in the world John Calvin could conceive of the idea of a predetermined elect (?!) when a car beeped at me and (after I made the turn) :) I started thinking about what it really means to “conceive” of an idea.

The word “conceive” implies creation, namely the creation of a child, or a new life. When a person conceives an idea, then, is the idea like a child – developing in the mind as in the womb, eventually growing and changing after birth as a child does – becoming more mature, if growth proceeds as it should, eventually growing up and contributing to the lives of other ideas? This brings to mind the whole controversy of when life begins, too. When does the “life” of an idea begin? Is it at conception, the first sparking and formings of an idea within the mind? Is it at birth, when an idea is put to paper or to speech, told to another or inscribed in one’s consciousness? What constitutes the birth of an idea? What determines its life? If the idea grows, matures, reaches out to others, sparks ideas in them, is that fertility, generativity? Is that its purpose, to spark other ideas, or does it have innate value within itself – or both? And does an idea ever really die?

I was also wondering about the responsibility of a person who “has” an idea, what is their duty to that idea? Do they take on the role of a parent, who nurtures and guides the idea-child to grow, to become fully realized, to gain depth, to welcome others while still retaining its own essential and important identity? Is that the calling of one who has an idea? But there are many ideas who are not born to one who is willing to develop and give attention to that idea – where does such an idea go, then? How does it survive? What of an idea born into an unfriendly environment, like Darwinism into the religion-infused 19th century England, or Lutheranism into Catholic Europe? And yet so many of those ideas do survive, do grow stronger, revolutionize worlds. Some have tremendous transformative power, which some turn into help for humankind, and some turn into tools of destruction. Some go both ways. Can one split an idea, creating new entities like a reproducing amoeba? Factionalism would seem to prove this true, as well as sectarianism, forms of government, and almost every difference of opinion and practice in the world.

Ideas, it seems, are more fertile than rabbits. :) What of people who try to impose population control on ideas? Can there ever be an overpopulation of ideas? I don’t think so, but I’m not sure. Can society be peaceful when ideas multiply constantly and constantly clash and collide?

I’m not sure about any of this. But it’s an interesting phrase, to “conceive of an idea.” It brings interesting questions.

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:iconpoohbearlover42:
Wow. That really, really deep. It does bring up interesting questions, too. For starters, I can tell that you've definately thought long and hard about this, and I really, really love your analogy of an idea being like a child. Like a person. It's so cool, really. Just wanted to say that. Congradulations, you got at least one person thinking. :D

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:iconzajon-lumtok:
That's quite an analogy. INGENIUS!

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:iconchibisilverwings:
+fav journal! DA SHOULD HAVE IT.

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:iconbyrnwyrm:
You never fail! Well, maybe sometimes. Nah, not really. er, in regards to your journals being rich with satisfaction after reading them. They're often so deliciously thought-provoking, but you already know that, so here's my additional input:

What about "bad" ideas? Usually, when an idea is "bad", it shouldn't be developed, executed, et cetera. I wonder if this is just like how the Spartans in 300 (Yes, I don't know much from actual history, so I won't reference "Spartans in real history") would dispose of the children that weren't up to par. Though, "bad" can mean "not fit" or "evil".

So... let's see. One example off the top of my head: "Let's cut this yellow wire of this bomb!" "No! That's a bad idea!" ...it's a bad idea because it could lead to the death of the two people. It was a threat against their lives, and they value their lives. And, if we define "evil" to be something that attacks your values, then this would make the idea "evil" or "bad". But, then again, it could also be "not fit" because it wasn't a solution to the predicament which is causing their death. Ack. That could mean "not fit" and "evil" could mean the same thing: bad. Dur!

So, where the heck am I going with this? Well, does that mean that ideas should be killed if they are a threat or do not encourage success for us? I wonder if that means ideas have rights, too?

...ah, but an idea should be innocent until proven guilty. SO! If an idea seems like a bad idea, you should only dispose of it if you can prove it is a bad idea. Then, if it IS proven that it's a bad idea, give 'em the electric chair! (Or, whatever seats ideas) If not, then you should let the idea live!

Wow, intense. This is so true! Don't debunk ideas just because they SEEM bad. A bad idea is only truly bad if you can prove that it's bad. "Cutting yellow wires lead to death, says this bomb manual we happen to have on us." "Well, then, I guess it really IS a bad idea, Stan! *smack*"

Ahhhh, that was cool thinking time. Thank you! It makes me want to blog 'n' stuff!

Cheers,

Bradley :rose:

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:iconmizamour:
Thanks for reading! Wow, that's interesting... I like your points about the bad ideas, whether they have rights... I know some never should be tested, if they go against basic human rights (like an idea of killing others, or an idea to embezzle or steal from people) but it's true that other ideas that might seem *bad* at the time (like Lincoln's ideas seemed to the South during the Civil War, when the South disagreed with him) are actually good ideas that upheld the rights of humankind and strove for a better world. So should ideas be tested in a utilitarian sense, their worth determined by how helpful or faithful they are to the natural rights of man? That could work, though it could leave out purely aesthetic ideas, such as some art, and of course people's opinions would differ on what best upheld humankind's natural rights... but all ideas contribute to the worldwide conversation, which I think is definitely important. I like your bomb-stopping analogy :)
Thanks for the comment! It made me think more too!

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:iconbyrnwyrm:
Ah, yes, I forget about ideas for aesthetic reasons! I'm totally for those blossoming into beautiful things.

Yep, I agree! Conversation IS good. It increases quality of life!

Certainly both parties have ideas that the others don't have, and putting them into the collective pool of "worldwide conversation" is only to be supportive of increasing the opportunities for improving life for all the people of the world!

...Wow. How heavy!

Cheers,

Bradley :rose:

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